89: The Downside of Buzz....
We had a very well attended launch party. People really enjoyed the beer, even several people I knew not to be craft beer lovers were enjoying the beer. Enough to wade back to the bar and order our beer again and again. That was cool to see. It was also cool to see old friends and new who were genuinely enjoying themselves and our beers. We couldn't have asked for more.
However the downside to this upside is that some people began to wonder if the beers in question are really worth all the fuss. Which I understand. I'm a beer geek too. I've gone through it. I've listened to effusive praise about beers and breweries and then based on that praise gone to great effort to get the product in question. Only to be disappointed. I can't blame people for being skeptical about a new brewery because I've been around long enough on the craft beer scene to know skepticism is warranted.
There is currently a long thread on ratebeer.com that encapsulates the feelings of both the folks that think we make good beer and the folks that think the people who like our beer are a bunch of shameless homers. The homerisim is the part that I don't get. Sure, each individual should judge any beer for themselves, but Floridians being homers, really? Florida beer raters have (at least in the half a decade I have been paying attention to online beer ratings) been very tough on their local beer. Which is why Florida beer lovers tend to be such active beer traders/travellers. They mostly don't like the local stuff. If homerisim were so rampant then my colleagues at Orlando Brewing Partners should have a slew of highly rated beers on the beer geek websites. But OBP tends to brew lower abv, style consistent beers. Beers the geeks tend to not go gaga over. And their ratings reflect the more sessionable, low-key, beers they brew, rather than rampant homerisim.
I do know many of the people rating our beers. As a fellow beer lover our paths have naturally crossed many times. More than a few I count as friends. Though as each day passes our beers get into the hands of numerous people I have never met. Perhaps those that I do know just don't want to insult me. But, I think spending five minutes with most of these folks would disabuse anyone of the notion that they are interested in sparing anyone hurt feelings. If we brewed flawed beer their interest would be in having a laugh at out expense I do not doubt it.
Which brings me to the other thing that bothered me in the thread. The notion that we are an upstart brewery and how could we possibly make beers as good as some people say. We are upstarts the way that two guys with a combined 20 years of experience relating to beer are upstarts. Wayne has been brewing beer commercially for a decade. He has been homebrewing longer. I have been in the beer business for 7 years and getting paid to research and write about a beer for the last 5 years. It is certainly correct to say that we are a new brewery. It is not correct to say that we are new to brewing. Wayne was winning gold medals at GABF before most of the beer rating websites were even around. When I drank my first craft beers, there was no online site dedicated to craft beers. We are a new brewery, but we are by no means inexperienced.
That experience does not mean we will automatically create anything worth a damn. That is up to the people who drink the beer to decide. But, Wayne is not new to brewing. He brings 13 years of experience to his approach and recipes. But, beyond that he brings a remarkably finely tuned palate, a passion for his profession I have seen in very few people and a genuinely creative personality. I too have some experience with beer and brewing and feel I am a capable evaluator of beer. Everything we release at CCB is something we are proud of. Something we think is worthy to tag hands with a brewing tradition that goes back 10,000 years. But, that is just our opinion. Form your own opinion when you drink the beer.
Cheers,
Joey Redner
However the downside to this upside is that some people began to wonder if the beers in question are really worth all the fuss. Which I understand. I'm a beer geek too. I've gone through it. I've listened to effusive praise about beers and breweries and then based on that praise gone to great effort to get the product in question. Only to be disappointed. I can't blame people for being skeptical about a new brewery because I've been around long enough on the craft beer scene to know skepticism is warranted.
There is currently a long thread on ratebeer.com that encapsulates the feelings of both the folks that think we make good beer and the folks that think the people who like our beer are a bunch of shameless homers. The homerisim is the part that I don't get. Sure, each individual should judge any beer for themselves, but Floridians being homers, really? Florida beer raters have (at least in the half a decade I have been paying attention to online beer ratings) been very tough on their local beer. Which is why Florida beer lovers tend to be such active beer traders/travellers. They mostly don't like the local stuff. If homerisim were so rampant then my colleagues at Orlando Brewing Partners should have a slew of highly rated beers on the beer geek websites. But OBP tends to brew lower abv, style consistent beers. Beers the geeks tend to not go gaga over. And their ratings reflect the more sessionable, low-key, beers they brew, rather than rampant homerisim.
I do know many of the people rating our beers. As a fellow beer lover our paths have naturally crossed many times. More than a few I count as friends. Though as each day passes our beers get into the hands of numerous people I have never met. Perhaps those that I do know just don't want to insult me. But, I think spending five minutes with most of these folks would disabuse anyone of the notion that they are interested in sparing anyone hurt feelings. If we brewed flawed beer their interest would be in having a laugh at out expense I do not doubt it.
Which brings me to the other thing that bothered me in the thread. The notion that we are an upstart brewery and how could we possibly make beers as good as some people say. We are upstarts the way that two guys with a combined 20 years of experience relating to beer are upstarts. Wayne has been brewing beer commercially for a decade. He has been homebrewing longer. I have been in the beer business for 7 years and getting paid to research and write about a beer for the last 5 years. It is certainly correct to say that we are a new brewery. It is not correct to say that we are new to brewing. Wayne was winning gold medals at GABF before most of the beer rating websites were even around. When I drank my first craft beers, there was no online site dedicated to craft beers. We are a new brewery, but we are by no means inexperienced.
That experience does not mean we will automatically create anything worth a damn. That is up to the people who drink the beer to decide. But, Wayne is not new to brewing. He brings 13 years of experience to his approach and recipes. But, beyond that he brings a remarkably finely tuned palate, a passion for his profession I have seen in very few people and a genuinely creative personality. I too have some experience with beer and brewing and feel I am a capable evaluator of beer. Everything we release at CCB is something we are proud of. Something we think is worthy to tag hands with a brewing tradition that goes back 10,000 years. But, that is just our opinion. Form your own opinion when you drink the beer.
Cheers,
Joey Redner


I knew you could not wade in on the topic on the thread and I am glad to have heard your side. It is in line with how I thought you would feel.
The post has grown to nearly 20 pages over there and there are only two or three detractors which is the refreshing part. In due time they will get outside rates and I feel those rates will only confirm the reviews of the "homers".... of which I am proud to be.
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I consider myself a homer as well. I don't know you but I'm really hoping you guys succeed just to have a great brewery in our backyard. I had the Maduro at IBG and it was good, just as I suspected. Looking forward to trying the IPA!
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I agree that Floridians being tough on local beer. I visit OBP's tap room regularly and have noticed large inconsistencies between batches with dissapointment. On the other hand, when it's on: it's dead on. It gives me a sense of love-hate for the place. I was very pleased to see CCB kegs over here in Orlando so quickly -- you guys made it over in East Orlando in only a matter of days and my gas guzzling truck appreciates that. As with any local brewery I was skeptical of the Maduro, but walked away very pleased. Hopefully Redlight Redlight has a good supply of it tomorrow night.
I generally avoid reading beer reviews at all. I prefer to form my own opinion. I'll only use the beer rating sites to answer the question of "hey what abv was that?"
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These are very well made beers! I was really impressed with the Maduro Brown, ORIBE ale, Jai Lai Pale Ale, Wolfberry and Cedar Aged Imperial Stout, which was truly outstanding! It was cool to meet you guys and we wish you the best in the future endeavors with the brewery. Personally, I feel people should be able to taste the beers before they read the comments so they can make up their minds for themselves. Let people blog all they want, I'll be enjoying your beer!
Mike and Janet Merrill
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Who cares what a bunch of douche bag tickers think? Keep up the good work.
The beer speaks for itself!
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does anyone have a link to said thread? thanks.
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Can't please everyone these days.
If you serve good beer, they will come.
We're thankful that you're giving us a choice.
Sean
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Pssh. To hell with 'em. There will always be haters. These are probably the same kind of people who would immediately stop drinking a beer once it becomes too popular, and they can no longer claim to like something no one else has ever heard of.
I've not tried any beers yet as I haven't had a chance to make it out, but I know that I only had a sense of homerism for local beers when I first got into craft beers. As I tried various brews over time, I started judging beers fairly, and not based on where they were brewed, or how good they were supposed to be.
Lord, I can not stand blind haters.
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Bottom line ... these beers are incredible. Buzz gets people's attention, great beer keeps them coming back. I am so glad that CCB is in my "backyard."
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Having been there myself, I can tell you there is a certain evolution to how the public reacts to "newbies".
1st-Expectations are through the roof. Press is great, everyone is excited! Most raters are friends, family and other people that want you to succeed. They blow a lot of sunshine and roses up your conical, but mean well.
2nd-After pouring you heart and soul into your product, it hits the streets. The general public, after months of hype give comments like "It's no Westvleteren. I expected more" Or "Compared to...(add the over-hyped over the top RIS of your choice here) it sucks. They basically compare you to whatever their absolute favorite beer. Nothing you can offer stands a fighting chance. Bear in mind that any numb-nuts can rate and/or comment about things they have no knowledge of.
3rd-The hype dies down. Not a bad thing as long as sales are there, and people start to judge you product on it's own merit, good or bad. Anyone who has tried Cigar City's beers can honestly say, across the board, they are outstanding, and creative as hell.
4th-Things level-off, as far as critics, and you occasionally get a low rating or off comment. Some of my favorites have basically described, in great detail, exactly what I wanted my beer to taste like, then comment "Another words it was awful!" Not everyone gets what your doing and that's fine. If you want to please the masses ,have Anheuser Busch contract brew a nice bland lager for you ala "Landshark". Or, keep doing what your doing, making great beer for the rest of us and we will take care of our own.
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The blog was absolutely fantastic! Lots of great information and inspiration, both of which we all need!
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